tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post8443355669598134294..comments2024-02-06T09:51:14.027+01:00Comments on Jules' klimaatblog: Hans Erren vs the people of Shishmarefjuleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08149218335071592373noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post-51558439012310382622009-02-22T12:36:00.000+01:002009-02-22T12:36:00.000+01:001) is not even close to an answer 2) you should've...1) is not even close to an answer <BR/><BR/>2) you should've made a quantification BEFORE making you original post in which you claim the island is just walking.<BR/><BR/>3) not even close to answering the other possible factors that could play a role. <BR/><BR/>i'm still not satisfied...juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08149218335071592373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post-47038687612367269852009-02-18T11:30:00.000+01:002009-02-18T11:30:00.000+01:001)The only prehistoric settlements that remain in ...1)The only prehistoric settlements that remain in the area are simply the ones that weren't washed into the sea so it's not planning, it's luck.<BR/><BR/>2) Patience, I am not forgetting you, I am working on the quantification, I have not come across anything in the literature, so I have to do it myself. Of course if you have any numbers, don't hesitate to provide references.<BR/><BR/>3)<BR/>The take home message is:<BR/>The greatest storm erosion occured in the 50's and 70's during a cold PDO phase. During the current warm PDO phase the storm erosion rate <B>decreased</B>. <BR/><BR/>Erosion is greatest on the sea front to local melting permafrost around concrete foundations. <BR/><BR/>So:<BR/>a) Greater erosion rates in Shismaref town is indeed man-made but not by CO2 from far away but from local melt around concrete foundations.<BR/>b) Erosion rates are <B>less</B> in a warm PDO phase<BR/>c) There is no scientific evidence that erosion rates are increasing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post-26852347894576378882009-02-18T00:25:00.000+01:002009-02-18T00:25:00.000+01:00update :On the volkskrantblog i asked three questi...update :<BR/><BR/>On the volkskrantblog i asked three questions which Erren answered to. Well sort of.<BR/><BR/>my questions were :<BR/><I>1) why do you think the inhabitants aren't used to walking islands ?<BR/>2) do you have a quantification for growth and erosion ?<BR/>3) a question for a little more eplanation on what Erren means by "permafrost melt is a local phenomena"</I><BR/><BR/>Erren answers :<BR/>1) on which grounds do you conclude the Inuit have a better knowledge on the subject than the people of Vlieland<BR/>(<I> of course i made no such claim J.</I>)<BR/><BR/>2) answer : erosion : 1m a year on the North side. Erren found no data on progradation but compares landsat images. <BR/>(<I>user jlaan asks whether the Landsat images can be compared, as they are taken in different seasons and there's no indication on the tide (high/low) etc.</I>)<BR/><BR/>3) Erren : permafrost melt, due to modern construction techniques, is highest where houses have been built. This doens't meant he island is disappearing. Since 1974, due to a shift in PDO, storm intensity decreased, and therefore erosion decreased also.<BR/><I> Erren simply ignores the possible link between AGW and increased erosion due to reasons mentioned in my post : permafrost melt and less protection from sea-ice<BR/><BR/>Personnaly i find Erren's answers unsatisfactory </I>juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08149218335071592373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post-90824847815577458202009-02-16T14:07:00.000+01:002009-02-16T14:07:00.000+01:00wait and see jules.Thank you for bringing my weblo...<I>wait and see jules.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for bringing my weblog under the attention of a larger community.</I><BR/><BR/>That's your answer for the evidence you were asked for to back up a comment that you have already made?<BR/><BR/>I don't mean to be rude but, my god, in Australia we have a word for that... it's called wanking, and you would be called a wanker. No insult is worse.<BR/><BR/>Either back yourself with evidence, or admit to incautiousness with your statement, but don't wank-on mate!Wadardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07900339523864136167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post-11382360087013963212009-02-08T00:26:00.000+01:002009-02-08T00:26:00.000+01:00all you've given so far is a red herring and an up...all you've given so far is a red herring and an update of your post (after being asked for souces) with more maps of ... Vlieland.<BR/><BR/>I am still waiting, that's for sure...juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08149218335071592373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1847816429050818607.post-90140710509165323872009-02-07T15:50:00.000+01:002009-02-07T15:50:00.000+01:00wait and see jules.Thank you for bringing my weblo...wait and see jules.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for bringing my weblog under the attention of a larger community.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com